ISIS/ISIL are a group formed out of injustice. It is not without historical precedent that those treated unjustly and those who respond to injustice, also carry out injustice. It is a rare form of discipline when a group act justly no matter the circumstance. It is also clear that none of the belligerants in any case are at all just.
It is easy to live in safety and security and point and pontificate, it is harder to comprehend.
Potatoe
The boilerplate “pontification” is to condescindingly depict the Other as only ever reacting to the West- reducing all to geopolitical dialectic.
Privately held religious dogma can exist to generate action absent a navel gazing trustafarian’s thought of , “This is about me.”
In this particular case, the West did perpetrate the crimes that led to further criminality.
Let us look at this from a historical perspective. Take the emergence of German fascism post WW1 by way of response to what was an unjust truce. From that injustice sprang further injustice and greater crimes against humanity. However, after WW2, the West learned and treated the German populace a lot better. There were university courses in post war administration of German infrastructure. German government documents were meticulously preserved and studied, as were cultural and economic legacies. This helped facilitate an orderly transition to recovery.
No such courtesy was extended to post-invasion Iraq, all the infrastructure, cultural legacies, documents were left to vandals and thieves. Only the oil/natural resource infrastructures were meticulously preserved.
You have a region that came from an eight year war with Iran, then a bombardment from the US from the early 90’s, an embargo that starved a population, then further invasions (based on false pretence). Now heed my words as this is very important. In 03 invasion of Iraq, members of the Baath party were denied political discourse. The majority of the Iraqi populace are Shiite, but a sizeable demographic remains Sunni ex-Baath. What this post invasion policy did was render a demographic outlaws overnight. In addition to an ocean of injustice, you deny a group political discourse–a recipe for ISIS/ISIL to form.
@potatoe
Belgium has a presence in the Middle East for some years and is part of the coaltition of countries that regularly bomb the region. Among targets are ISIS/ISIL. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a target can also strike back. This is part of the cost of attacking /fighting a group, the possibility that they hit back. Europe, at large seems content to bomb these groups/places and have largely avoided retaliation. Now that they are struck back and have a small taste of what they dish out, we will see what the next polcies are. What troubles me is that European countries are shocked that they are hit at all. If a country engages in a foreign policy, own it. Be prepared for retaliation. This moral indigantion and surprise is a shock to me. Belgium is historically built on wealth fom mass murder. For certain, the present day Belgium need not be wholesale attacked for retribution for crimes of the past. But neither does the whole Middle East need to pay for sins of a few. Wholesale bombing for wholesale bombing, fair trade. Unfair practise.
Potatoe
Right, reckoning for hegemonic incursions is always the whole of it.
Nothing to do with being in a death cult.
4 Indian Nuns killed at Elder care home in Yemen, priest missing.
Because the West.
Che.wall-posters.biz
@potatoe
ISIS/ISIL are a group formed out of injustice. It is not without historical precedent that those treated unjustly and those who respond to injustice, also carry out injustice. It is a rare form of discipline when a group act justly no matter the circumstance. It is also clear that none of the belligerants in any case are at all just.
It is easy to live in safety and security and point and pontificate, it is harder to comprehend.
The boilerplate “pontification” is to condescindingly depict the Other as only ever reacting to the West- reducing all to geopolitical dialectic.
Privately held religious dogma can exist to generate action absent a navel gazing trustafarian’s thought of , “This is about me.”
In this particular case, the West did perpetrate the crimes that led to further criminality.
Let us look at this from a historical perspective. Take the emergence of German fascism post WW1 by way of response to what was an unjust truce. From that injustice sprang further injustice and greater crimes against humanity. However, after WW2, the West learned and treated the German populace a lot better. There were university courses in post war administration of German infrastructure. German government documents were meticulously preserved and studied, as were cultural and economic legacies. This helped facilitate an orderly transition to recovery.
No such courtesy was extended to post-invasion Iraq, all the infrastructure, cultural legacies, documents were left to vandals and thieves. Only the oil/natural resource infrastructures were meticulously preserved.
You have a region that came from an eight year war with Iran, then a bombardment from the US from the early 90’s, an embargo that starved a population, then further invasions (based on false pretence). Now heed my words as this is very important. In 03 invasion of Iraq, members of the Baath party were denied political discourse. The majority of the Iraqi populace are Shiite, but a sizeable demographic remains Sunni ex-Baath. What this post invasion policy did was render a demographic outlaws overnight. In addition to an ocean of injustice, you deny a group political discourse–a recipe for ISIS/ISIL to form.
Think past your rhetoric.
@potatoe
Belgium has a presence in the Middle East for some years and is part of the coaltition of countries that regularly bomb the region. Among targets are ISIS/ISIL. It is not out of the realm of possibility that a target can also strike back. This is part of the cost of attacking /fighting a group, the possibility that they hit back. Europe, at large seems content to bomb these groups/places and have largely avoided retaliation. Now that they are struck back and have a small taste of what they dish out, we will see what the next polcies are. What troubles me is that European countries are shocked that they are hit at all. If a country engages in a foreign policy, own it. Be prepared for retaliation. This moral indigantion and surprise is a shock to me. Belgium is historically built on wealth fom mass murder. For certain, the present day Belgium need not be wholesale attacked for retribution for crimes of the past. But neither does the whole Middle East need to pay for sins of a few. Wholesale bombing for wholesale bombing, fair trade. Unfair practise.
Right, reckoning for hegemonic incursions is always the whole of it.
Nothing to do with being in a death cult.
4 Indian Nuns killed at Elder care home in Yemen, priest missing.
Because the West.
Che.wall-posters.biz
Make Belgium funny please.